Monday, October 01, 2007

One Nation Under God... or was that who we meant after all?

How disguting. I don't have long to write, but I feel I must take a moment to share this. I was reading the news tonight, like I do most every night of late, and was struck by the headline "Groups criticize McCain for calling U.S. 'Christian nation" Wait a minute? Where was I? I could have sworn our pledge of allegiance says "one nation under God"...

Did I miss my guess or doesn't that spell it out pretty clearly? Did the jews, muslims, and others accidentally mistake us for someone else when they immigrated here? I'm pretty sure it posted everywhere throughout our history.

Here is the Associated Press article quoted from CNN in tonight's headlines:


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Muslim and Jewish groups on Monday sharply criticized Sen. John McCain's comments that he would prefer a Christian president to lead the United States. GOP presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain campaigns Sunday in Derry, New Hampshire.

The Arizona Republican's remarks came in an interview with Beliefnet, a Web site that covers religious issues and affairs.

"I just have to say in all candor that since this nation was founded primarily on Christian principles, personally, I prefer someone who has a grounding in my faith," the GOP presidential hopeful told the Web site in an interview published Saturday.

McCain also said he agreed with a recent poll that 55 percent of Americans believe the U.S. Constitution establishes a Christian nation. "I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation," he said.

On Sunday night, McCain sought to clarify his remarks while campaigning in Hollis, New Hampshire. "What I do mean to say is the United States of America was founded on the values of Judeo-Christian values, which were translated by our founding fathers which is basically the rights of human dignity and human rights," he said.

"I believe that anyone can be president of the United States of any faith," McCain said, saying he was angry his remarks were misinterpreted but "there's nothing I can do about it."

Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said McCain's comments failed to recognize that Christianity is not the only faith with beliefs that support the concept of human rights.

"Sorry, Islam and other faiths have their basis in human dignity," Hooper said.

McCain's remarks also "go against the traditions of American pluralism and religious pluralism and inclusion," Hooper said.

Hooper's organization, a Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group, said it's trying to organize a group of Muslim leaders to meet with McCain.

The National Jewish Democratic Council, an advocacy group representing Jewish Democrats, also called on the Republican Party to denounce the remarks formally.

"Former maverick John McCain's statements were repugnant," the group's executive director, Ira N. Forman, said in a statement. "It's been sad watching him transform from political maverick to religious right mouthpiece."

Forman added, "Someone running for president ought to understand the Constitution a little better. Nowhere does it say the United States is a 'Christian' nation. How can we trust someone to uphold the Constitution who doesn't even know what is in it?"

McCain's communication director, Jill Hazelbaker, issued a statement Sunday defending her candidate's comments: "Read in context, his interview with Beliefnet makes clear that people of all faiths are entitled to all the rights protected by the Constitution, including the right to practice their religion freely.

"In the interview he also observed that the values protected by the Constitution, by which he meant values such as respect for human life and dignity, are rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition. That is all he intended to say to the question, America is a Christian nation, and it is hardly a controversial claim."




Guess what? We ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION... WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.. THE GOD.. get over it or get back on the boat!

We have turned into a country where the Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court is removed from office for refusing to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments from his court house building, a California atheist sues to remove the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and loses; then wins on appeal; then loses in the Supreme Court,  President George W. Bush is criticized for his idea of the Faith-Based Initiative, where faith-based organizations could get federal funds where previously they had been barred, and public school bus drivers are required to remove holiday decorations from their busses after complaints of "offended" parents.

Does this mean that non-christians shouldnt have the ability to rule our country? DAMNED RIGHT! No, technically it's not outlawed in the constitution. In fact, it's only ever mentioned once in the constitution. Article 6, third clause stated that "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." So, yes, anyone can rule the country, run for congress, become a senator, be city mayor, or anything else they feel led to do, but for GOD's sake it's about time you people learn that this country is founded on ONE GOD... we always have been and regardless of what you try to do to us, we always will be.

Are you free to worship your god? Defintitely. I defend and hold to heart the freedom of anyone to worship in his or her own manner, but I also defend the founding fathers who created this country in the manner they did. If you don't like it, go back to your war-torn, hunger stricken, poverty ridden, dictatorial, piece of dirt from whence you came and leave our beliefs alone.

In case you're confused, it reads as follows: "I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." My best friend in the entire world is currently in a foreign country, fighting and watching his comrades die in order to defend the liberty and justice for those who can't do it for themselves. The VERY LEAST YOU CAN DO is to respect the country's beliefs that is busy trying to save yours, especially when they fight and die so you can have your freedoms overseas.  Either accept our beliefs and enjoy your freedom to peacefully worship whomever you please or get the hell out of my country and go put YOUR life onthe line for your beliefs in some other country!

One man in congress makes ONE remark about christianity and the entire non-christian population of America throws a damned hissy fit. Personally, I'd love the opportunity to shake the mans hand for saying what he did. It's a shame he's going to suffer for it politically.

Some of the people in this country sicken me sometimes.


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  2. The Constitution establishes the guiding principles for the governance of the nation. For me, as an American, I am proud to have a heritage founded in this document, and also another defining document, the Declaration of Independence. I am a person of deep faith and conviction; I am a Roman Catholic priest who is proud to be American, and to have the opportunity to encounter so many people of different nationalities, cultures, languages, and ways of life. Being able to practice religion openly, to voice my opinion as a citizen when I disagree with legislators, and to have the right to an opinion at all are gifts. I do not have to live in fear that I will be dragged out and shot in the middle of the night, or have my car blownup during the day, or just "disappearing" as many do in other nations.
    Is the United States a perfect? No, she certainly has her flaws. Just like any institution that is made up of people, there will be imperfection by definition. Should we abandon her because of her imperfections? Certainly not. We need to be proactive and foster a true sense of respect for everyone.

  3. Also, that respect has to be from everyone.
    On the point of those fighting on my behalf, words cannot describe how proud and grateful I am to them. My nephew has done two tours in Iraq, and is waiting to do another. I worry about him every day, but when I talk to him, he is confident and proud to be a soldier for our nation. On behalf of family, friends, and myself, to our soldiers: YOU ARE IN OUR HEARTS, ON OUR MINDS, AND IN OUR PRAYERS! Everyday I pray for peace in the world. I ask my parishioners to do the same. I also, ask them to keep our soldiers in prayer. Pray everyday, whatever form your prayer takes. Pray for peace in the world. For the end to violence and greed in all its forms.

  4. So, tell me Skak. To you, are we (or should we be) one nation under God?

    And, if so, should we be ashamed of it because it might offend someone else?

  5. "One nation under God" --- yes, I think we are to be that, and indeed we continue to work toward that.. Strange as this may sound, I do not believe that this "God" is solely the "God revealed by/in Jesus Christ"...this is a sticking point for many. Founded by those who ascribed to Judeo-Christian beliefs, America is not exclusively (and really never has been) a Christian nation. Apologies if others may find this offensive. This nation needs to have the guiding principles set forth by the Constitution and Declaration - basically that "all men are created equal" and have certain inalienable rights, such as "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". The "Christianity" of America is something that could be debated at length.

  6. Oh, and BTW, the name is Shak, not Skak! hehehehehe


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